OPINION
THE
CONVERSATION
How Does Biden Recover From His Week From Hell?
Aug. 30,
2021
By Gail
Collins and Bret Stephens
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/opinion/biden-afghanistan-covid.html
Ms. Collins
and Mr. Stephens are Opinion columnists. They converse every week.
Bret
Stephens: Hello, Gail. I hope these last two weeks of vacation have been nicer
for you than they’ve been for Joe Biden.
Gail
Collins: Bret, I always feel sympathy for a president when there’s a national
disaster on his watch. Well, presuming he’s a person who has the capacity to
imagine other people’s pain.
But this
does seem more terrible with Biden, given his long history of personal family
tragedy. As you know, I don’t converse much about foreign affairs — I decided
long ago to leave that area to folks who have way more knowledge than me. But
feel free to share your thoughts.
Bret: I
always opposed the withdrawal. Two years ago, I wrote a column calling on Mike
Pompeo, when he was secretary of state, to resign for “fathering the
catastrophe that may soon befall Afghanistan.” I thought we could have
maintained a small and secure garrison that would have provided the Afghans
with the air power, surveillance and logistics they needed to keep the Taliban
from sweeping the country.
Gail: I am
not conceding my no-foreign-affairs policy, but let’s just say I am feeling a
tad skeptical.
Bret:
Reasonable people can debate the point. What’s beyond debate is that Biden’s
execution of his own policy has been a fiasco. He assured Americans in early
July that there would be no fall-of-Saigon scenes in Kabul. He abandoned the
Bagram Air Base that would have provided a much more secure way of getting
people out. He set an unnecessary deadline that the Taliban could hold him to.
He reportedly gave the Taliban a list of American names, many of them
Afghan-Americans, presumably to expedite their departures but putting them at
risk of being targeted or taken hostage. He has left stranded countless Afghans
who depended on America’s protection and are now terrifyingly vulnerable to
reprisal. He made the United States look humiliated, incompetent and weak.
I’d call it
Biden’s Bay of Pigs, but that would be unfair to Jack Kennedy, who came into
office with much less foreign policy experience than Biden. And now the
president can’t even seem to acknowledge his own mistakes.
Gail: That
last one, I suspect, is temporary. You don’t generally get presidents coming
before the public in the middle of a terrible crisis saying: “God, I screwed
this up.” I predict he’ll be more reflective as time passes.
Bret: I
hope so. If we had a parliamentary system, Biden would probably lose power in a
no-confidence vote. As it is, I think he may have wrecked his own presidency
when it’s barely begun. How does he recover?
Gail: Well,
he obviously needs to pass his domestic agenda. If the Democrats can get their
act together before the congressional elections, he’ll have a huge
infrastructure program that will have the whole country driving across rickety
bridges and crumbling overpasses with a new optimism.
Bret: Every
time I drive through the intersection of I-678, I-295, I-278 and I-95 in the
Bronx, which seems to have been under construction since the Ptolemaic era, I
have my doubts.
Gail: Plus,
although I am already prepared for your protest, most of the country would be
happy to see a future with quality early childhood education for all, a sane
system of higher education that doesn’t bankrupt the younger generation before
it starts off in the world and a serious, major-league program to fight climate
change.
That last
one used to be a rallying cry for the left and concerned college students, but
I really think the horrors of this summer’s weather have made climate change an
issue most Americans are concerned about.
Bret: Not
to make you spill your coffee or anything, but I’m with you on the goals if
maybe not the methods. I’d love to see the U.S. revive our nuclear power
industry for energy-dense, low-carbon electricity production. Too many people
associate nuclear power with the Chernobyl disaster, but the technology has
made huge strides and it’s the only realistic path to move forward from
coal-fired plants. All those Tesla owners tend to forget that their cars are
still dirty so long as the electricity is coming from a carbon-based source.
Gail: I
think I told you my father’s career was in nuclear power plants, so I never
could get too excited about attacking them.
Bret:
Admittedly, my personal exposure to the industry has come mainly through
episodes of “The Simpsons.” Of course I identify with Mr. Burns.
Gail: It’s
crazy to pin all our hopes on an energy source that creates a waste product
that can be radioactive for thousands of years. Especially when there are
alternatives like solar and wind that have proven safe and practical to nearly
everybody but Donald Trump. His concern for the safety of birds near windmills
was possibly his only expression of interest in the welfare of animals since
back when he didn’t like the family poodle.
Bret: Every
conceivable energy source has big environmental downsides, particularly
biofuels that were all the rage a few years ago. In the case of wind and solar,
they can’t deliver power reliably and consistently without the need for a
backup energy source so that you can still turn on the lights when the wind
doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine. If people are going to be serious about
cutting carbon, they also need to recognize that the pros of nuclear energy
outweigh the cons.
Gail: When
you said you were with me on the Biden goals, did that include quality early
childhood education for all?
Bret: To
hell with the children, I say. In fact, I’m thinking of adding that to my list
of dubious future column titles, along with “Polar Bear Meat Is Delicious,”
“The Only Gulf Stream I Care About Is My Private Jet” and “Mike Pence: A
Reconsideration.”
OK, I’m
kidding. I’m all for early childhood education, so long as the federal
government doesn’t get further involved. Do we really need a huge new
entitlement when Washington’s endless interventions haven’t even solved our
nation’s literacy problems?
Gail: I
know you’re just trying to pick a fight to perk up an otherwise bleak week.
However, the idea here is quality early childhood education. We’ve seen tons of
for-profit enterprises, and even some well-meaning nonprofits, open up what are
basically big day care rooms with minimally trained staff and a bunch of games.
Pretty sure Americans want their tax dollars to be underwriting something more
ambitious.
And which,
studies show, is particularly important and helpful for students from
low-income families.
Bret: I
think the data about Head Start shows some pretty mixed results over time. The
really crucial years are in middle school, where public schools of my
experience did a pretty lousy job.
Gail: Do
you really think our literacy problems are based on Washington intervention in
local schools? Really really?
Bret:
Totally totally. And on a both-sides-are-guilty basis. George W. Bush’s “No
Child Left Behind” was a gigantic bureaucratic nightmare that burdened local
school districts with enormous compliance requirements but did very little to
improve the quality of education.
Presidents
of different parties think they can improve the system with more demands and
more money, but the truth is that what ails our schools isn’t the lack of
funding. It’s the lack of flexibility. That’s something best solved through
greater local control, not more federal intervention.
Now you’re
going to tell me I’m wrong.
Gail: Local
control is great when the local is, um, great. And obviously you don’t want to
stick the schools with more bureaucracy than necessary.
Bret: Good
luck getting that to happen. Bureaucracy is like kudzu.
Gail: But
here’s the thing: There have to be basic standards. I don’t want to live in a
country where kids in upper-middle-class suburbs get terrific school
experiences while the ones who most need it often get something a lot worse.
Bret: Basic
standards are fine. But right now the single biggest impediment to more equal
educational outcomes comes in the form of teacher union resistance to innovative
and independent charter schools. Instead of imposing uniformity, we should be
encouraging competition.
Gail: We
need a well-educated population, and the federal government has to play a role.
It’s a bit like a vaccine program. Obviously you want to give people as much
control over their own bodies as possible. But we can’t be living in a country
where everybody has the right to infect the rest of the population with the
coronavirus. So we’ve got a middle road, with a lot of government intervention
on masks, rules, etc.
OK, maybe
the vaccine analogy is going overboard — have to admit I spend too much time
thinking about the pandemic. It’s like a cloud over almost everything else. How
are you feeling?
Bret:
Exhausted. Covid-19 is turning out to be a lot like Bartok doing opera: more
sinister than you think, worse than it sounds, with lots of doors leading to
awful places. When can we finally get back to some Mozart?
Gail: This
is why I love conversing with you. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Bartok makes an
appearance.
Gail
Collins is an Op-Ed columnist and a former member of the editorial board, and
was the first woman to serve as the Times editorial page editor, from 2001 to
2007. @GailCollins • Facebook
Bret L.
Stephens has been an Opinion columnist with The Times since April 2017. He won
a Pulitzer Prize for commentary at The Wall Street Journal in 2013 and was
previously editor in chief of The Jerusalem Post. Facebook
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